I also shot a 3 shot group at 317 yards (max distance on my shooting range on my property) that was less than 2.86 inches. I’m talking about the cheapest Remington 700 that you can buy today. Just like me, a little rough around the edges but gets right to the point when the time comes. Whether or not a lot of hunters regularly use the .243 Winchester on varmints today I cannot say, but I can recall a time when many of us did. I know a lot of people here will think I’m nuts, but to each his own. There are four models in the 783 range — the standard tested here, a compact, a camo (all with a synthetic stock) and a walnut-stocked version. I own 2 ADL’s. ( I paid $120 for my scope-less gun back in 1972). It’s got a world-class Kahles 6x scope on it. “So why would anyone, when they are hunting, think that they can do everything with just one rifle?” I don’t think the author said this was the “do everything rifle”… using a .243 for coyote and deer is hardly a “do all” caliber. Even so, I believe the time has come for a quick-twist option in standard-production factory rifles chambered for the cartridge. Taking ANY game, large or small, with a cartridge that is far less than optimal is not only unethical, it also helps reinforce the “crazy redneck” perception of the non-hunting public. But in the end it “ain’t for squirrel hunting”. Daylight and couple years short (or long I should say) on this post. In UT, CO, AZ, NM, etc. If your groups are smaller than a coyote then you’re good to go. A small extractor sliding in the right-side locking lug reliably pulls fired cases from the chamber, and a spring-loaded rod protruding from the face of the bolt flings them out through the ejection port. What impressed me first, was the flat trajectory of this riffle using a 80 grain round. If there exists such a rifle as the definitive American .22, the Marlin Model 39 must be it. I’ve also been on guided hunted with people who have stalked successfully. I’ve caught young guys out in the woods using AR-15’s and one even had a .22 LR for deer hunting. If you wanted a different caliber – okay. is loaded to maximum but safe chamber pressures with bullets weighing 100 to 115 grains, that rifle consistently exceeds 6mm Creedmoor maximum velocity by 100 fps and more. Remington Model 700 243 Hunting Rifle Remington 700 .243 all time favorite hunting rifle. And some of those, truth be told, were flat out misses. I was gonna say something similar, but you beat me to it. Talk all you want, but hopefully others who may read this can rationalize this concept and make an informed decision. If its worth $2k! You can use Hornady’s website to figure out how to calculate the HITS rating of the 308 Win and then adjust it accordingly for its terminal performance at 1000-yards. Available in .243 Winchester, 7mm-08 Remington, and .308 Winchester, Remington’s latest centerfire, the R-25, is a gas-operated AR-style semi-automatic rifle. I think he was implying that the gun was versatile in this caliber, nothing more. I’m not carrying any less weight, I’ve merely shifted what I’m carrying. This coming from a former marine with a couole of my own AR’s, and if it wasnt for the arbitrary NFA rules i would have real M4’s, and maybe not a 249 saw (because they are junk) but a shrike upper on an auto lower for the same abilities with less weight, better ergonmics, and just the shear jiy of firing belt fed. The Core-Lokts clocked in at an average speed of 2942 f.p.s. 2.) With the extremely long Hornady 103-grain ELD-X seated to an overall length of 2.824 inches in the .243 case, the bullet free-travels 0.020 inch prior to engaging the rifling in that rifle. I think it is YOU who are here to “brag”, since all you have done since you butted in on my post is do exactly that. I tried my hardest to find a used .223 or .243 – every gun and pawn shop within 50 miles has been thoroughly searched each week for the last two months. In 1983 the median household income in the U.S. was $19,000 and a model Seven was 0.023 percent of that. A great “do all North American” caliber is probably the 30-06, but even then there are better calibers depending on purpose. So far, I came up with a NIB Seekins 20MOA base and Burris ETR rings for $129 combined, A NIB Nikon 4.5-14 BDC scope for $301. Also, there’s the added benefit of rapid follow up shots with the semi-auto (in case that crazy wind comes around again). Remember – all of these ratings are both subjective and relative to the class of firearms they are in. But it sounds as if YOU do. I really could care less. A .223 with 22″ barrel is even lighter. I’ll keep my long range guns light (And this one much cheaper.) The 783 line of rifles is Remington’s entry into the low price, no frills rifle market. With a length of 2.870 inches, the magazine of the Remington Model 783 will handle cartridge lengths of 2.850 inches. I’ve killed coyotes, rabbits, badgers all deader than a wedge with a .17 HMR at ranges from 60 to 225 yards. I almost considered getting a SIG M400 Hunter (and may still just for the hell of it), but at $400 this cost 60% less than the SIG and it came with optics. The .223 just wont put them down good past 200 yards (150 yards is actually the more ethical limit from the ones ive shot), but 223 really is about the most recoil i can safely stand. I couldn’t find a single used, sub-30 cal, non-rimfire rifle to save my life! The ubiquitous Remington 700 bolt action rifle has received praise and criticism since its introduction in 1962. for $374, and have scoured the net for the cheapest deals on what I’ve added to this package. But so what? ◀Previous Post Next Post Remington first rolled out the Model 783 back in 2013. All the old favorites are normally there, like the classic Marlin, Remington and Ruger rifles. But, some experienced hunters will tell you go with the .243 caliber rifle. It's a fine gun that cycles well and looks new. I don’t tell them when to watch “Honey Boo-Boo”, or how to eat their Tofu so they can keep their traps shut around me when it comes to hunting. and we’ll both be happy. Those who wish to load the heavier bullets farther out of the powder cavity have the option of lengthening chamber throat with a reamer from Pacific Tool & Die. That things got more miles on it than my old truck and still holds a good group. Just because you park a Honda Civic Si next to a GT-R, it doesn’t mean you have a race car. OH, and… Excellent first gun!! It is a very deadly round when you use the 17gr V-Max pill. The cartridge was mated to the Remington Model 722 rifle—a solid design—but with a 1:12″ twist rate. @Skyler – Overall, it was the combination of acceptable weight, size, accuracy, but most importantly it was the price that won me over. So you either find some really crap places to take a shot from, or you don’t know about position and location to begin with. Another benefit to the long magazine of the Model 783 is it allows chasing the rifling for best accuracy as the chamber throat erodes from many firings. However, there is a limit. Runner-Up. Glass bedded and free floated the barrel. Due to its titanium receiver, it weighs only a bit over 6 pounds with a 2.5-8X scope, yet it consistently shoots inside 0.5 MOA. I wouldn’t call it “stylish”, but it certainly looks better than a “Sporterized” Mosin-Nagant in an ATI stock. Customizable * * * * * I have taken several deer with .223 but i like to hunt a couple farms where 350 yard shots are available. The gun is only as good as the man behind it. Not great, but not bad for the conditions. HP flat base is another top choice. The barrel cleaned easily but required some Hoppe’s 9 to get all the copper out. As good as it was, the .244 Remington introduced during the same year was never a threat to the .243’s supremacy among hunters, and eventually changing the name to 6mm Remington did little to help its cause. Why throw away a stock for bragging rights, when you can rough the inner works and glass bed it? According to Nosler, the ballistic coefficient of the 0.243-inch 55-grain Ballistic Tip is the same as for the 0.224-inch 60-grain Ballistic Tip, so it does a good job of bucking wind and retaining velocity. It’s a tack driver, but it’s too heavy to lug on a 8 mile hike up and down hills and mountains with any comfort. I know what works and that’s all. 6.) And you must be a very popular fellow to know thousands and thousands of hunters that hunt YOUR way. Savage 340’s have a 1 in 14 twist 24 inch barrel on the 22 hornet and thus will handle most longer bullets in my humble opinion. I scored a .270 Winchester Remington 700 ADL back in law school for $250. The other comparable, really good deal would be the Savage 11/111 Trophy Hunter series. 7.) Chamber throat and magazine lengths in .243 rifles do vary, and some can be long enough to seat bullets far beyond the SAAMI maximum. @brigo05 – you’re correct – this is the “new” version of the ADL. All but the barrel and dust cover are cloaked in Mossy Oak’s ‘Treestand’ camouflage pattern. For those of you who live in whitetail country, the .243 with 100-grain Core-Lokt rounds have proven to be quite effective for many hunters. I don’t see the big deal with rifle weight when you are out hunting. Good review, Thanks for sharing…. Now, I normally could care less what the “public” has to say, but I wouldn’t want to “turn off” a potential hunter from trying out the sport due to another hunters obvious ill-fated decision making skills. Put a Nikon 3×9 x 40 BDC reticle. Returning to the .243 Win. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Patrick, are you still monitoring the replys to this article? By the way. I don’t carry light or featherweight guns nor do I have any interest – that obviously wasn’t my intention with this one. While they all are too long to be stabilized by the 1:9.125 twist of the Model 783 Varmint, I was impressed by how fast they could be driven from a 26-inch barrel with a SAAMI-length chamber throat. But it seems to me that you’ve spent more time reading statistics off of ammo boxes and websites than in the field. I have a 270 and 3006 also. . Perhaps you’ve been listening to Karl Lippard for too long. bullpup with .00 vs. a his .45 auto. ground squirrels for bait), I’ll be working up some handloads in the 50-85 grain range. Recently I’ve been making friends at the local range and I finally found someone to take me coyote hunting out here in the desert (yay!). No front or rear sights, just a scope base that I will leave in place for the new owner. Style * * * Using handloads with high BC, heavy-for-caliber bullets still puts you near (or less) than 400 ft-lbs of energy (never mind the 460″ of elevation drop). Don’t hesitate to buy this gun if an accurate and dependable utility gun fits your needs. Since then it has accompanied me on every deer hunt, and nearly every elk hunt. We’re not even worthy enough to bask in your reflected glory. Back in 1985 I came really close to blowing $7000 on an M-60E3 that was for sale in a small gun shop in Old Town Alexandria, VA. I already have the harmonics under control to the point that the vibration “dead zone” is located at the muzzle. Mine has proven to be extremely accurate, and Joe Grine has seen it shoot sub-1″ groups at 300 yards with handloads. Depends on the kind of hunting as well – I know elk hunters who do the “backpack” method, carrying as much as 60 lbs of equipment on their hunts. Speaking of shotguns, way back in the early 1970’s when I took a job in law enforcement I bought one of the original Hi Standard Model 10A’s. After pulling the bolt out and bore-sighting by eye, I found paper and was only a little off. A beat up AR has more street cred! For the record, both ADL and an equivalent Savage .243 were the exact same price. I figure if I could shoot between gusts and swells, I could at least test the action and check pressure tolerances of my handloads. Having a 24 inch screw cut barrel, this classic appears to have seen very little use and is in very much mint condition. Two boxes of factory ammo and 50 handloads that approached maximum loads with no problems to speak of. is just too darned good to ever die. It should either be set up with the prooer cqb gear (i.e. My furthest ethical shot at full-size buck would be 500-yards, though in all my years I’ve only ever taken a shot at game further out than 200 yards less than a half-dozen times. Keith Feeley of Tactical Solutions sat down with Michael Bane at SHOT Show 2018 to talk about the new X-Ring Takedown SBR .22LR rifle. have a rifling twist rate of 1:10 inches, and that’s too slow for completely stabilizing today’s extremely long bullets. If I end up running out of ammo then I had a really bad day. For me, this gun will be dragged through scrub desert, leaned against Golden Barrel cacti, and likely bungee-strapped to an ATV mounted gun-rack. A distinct design departure from the beloved Model 700, the Model 783 provides performance-­oriented features designed to optimize a rifle’s accuracy. I am a 62 year old (well last season 61 year old) guy in pretty good shape. You may even believe it. Yes, you read that correctly – this is a review of the Remington 700 ADL. I don’t plan on shooting competition going through a hundred rounds in a session. The .243 Winchester cartridge in the new Remington Model 783 Varmint rifle is a dandy combination. has been quite successful at keeping its competition at bay. Since the SPS is nothing more than an ADL with a hinged floorplate, I couldn’t justify spending $200 more (or more, considering you are getting a 3-9x scope) for the trigger guard that I already had. In .243, 6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08 or .308, the Model Seven Stainless H-S boasts a hand-laminated carbon-fiber stock from H-S Precision. Until someone told me that my stock was shitty, I didn’t even notice. The one you have in your hand when you see game. Some people have good luck, some say a .222 is the minimum caliber for ‘yotes. Any responses would be greatly appreciated! If I do my job, it will put 3 cold/clean bore shots into a 1″ paster at 100-yards. Yeah, Iv’e been reading comments on the 243 rifle. Damn near every day I have had to dodge those bullets circling the earth; and I must say Budd, you and my Father-in-law would get along like peas in a pod for sure. I do a lot of hiking and camping with my wife and we aim for the lightest load possible. V-Max is my go-to bullet for .243. Bed the scope base (A recoil lug type helps keep the scope zeroed.) The rifle is more capable than me. I said I can’t get my head around using a 308 for hunting at the yardages that you are intending to hunt. Having … Since I also will be putting in for a javelina tag, I picked up a couple of boxes of the previously mentioned 100-grain Core-Lokts for testing purposes. Frank and Tony from Gallery of Guns spice up the Glock test using their non-dominant hands. I bought my 700 ADL in .270 win back in 1972, when I was 12 years old for my first deer hunt. Caliber: .243 Winchester I’m not going to defend my position with someone who thinks that hunting with a 155mm howitzer is what you need for a kill at 1000 yards. There is more discussion of the.243 Winchester cartridge in our “ Is.243 Win a Good Deer Rifle for Kids ” post. The barrelled action of the Model 783 has some really nice features. Sinking the magazine release lever deeply into the bottom of the stock reduces the odds of it being bumped in the field. No one had anything I was looking for on the used rack (or new rack for that matter)… I almost picked up a .22-250 built on a FN action and a custom laminated stock. Thats an every-man’s gun in every sense of the word, and it will take deer out to 300+ yards with the best of them. Most Shooting Times readers are probably familiar with the Model 783, but for those who are not, I will touch on its major design features. Also, not only does the 308 have relatively little useful “take down” power at 1000-yards, it takes a serious skill set to be able to effectively place a single shot on target at this distance. I assume we are talking about the same gun, breach loading, no floor plate…Mine had a nice polished bolt though. @Nathaniel Miller – what is wrong with an AR for coyote/varmint hunting? Thank you, Skyler! Just bought a NIB Remington 700 short action in .243 { 22″ barrel } from an old friend who bought it new at Wally-World years ago, and NEVER shot it, for $375. You can also believe what you want to believe – one of the great things still afforded to us as Americans. Iron sights work fine for shooting coyotes out to five hundred yards with an AR and 5.56mm rounds (though I find the scope to be very useful as my eyes have gotten older). 26″ bull barrel 308 for $349. Remington 783, Bolt Action, .243 Winchester, 22" Barrel, 3-9x40mm Scope, 4+1 Rounds Introduced in 2006, the Remington 750 has two main variants, which include the Woodsmaster and Synthetic. I keep eyeballing the same rifle every time I’m in Walmart, might be worth checking out the 30-06 version. Even a basic ML AR-10 A2 comes in at 8.5lbs before optics and ammo; FL AR-10’s are over 9lbs. It’s called extrapolation. Hell, you may think that 2+2=5. Good review. 4.) I wanted something that could reach out and get bigger game, but at the same time cheap and versatile. I’ll be adding a B&C Alaskan II stock and a nicer scope ASAP. He’s hysterical… thinks a 1911 chambered in.45ACP is an effective 600-yard defensive pistol… In the .243’s favor, the ammunition can be found easily in gunshops across the United States as well as other countries. Measuring 26 inches long, the blued carbon-steel barrel free-floats in the stock. It’s also a perfectly decent budget rifle in its own right, and perhaps superior to other Big Box rifles because of its customization potential. Even still, my pack on a 3-day camp is around 60-65 lbs (depends on season). In my experience the 788 proved to be a very accurate rifle, a sentiment voiced by most 788 owners. Apparently we all aren’t 6th generation ninja. FWIW, I use a cheapo Berkley fish scale (Got it from Cabela’s for $15). chamber. Love that cartridge. Velocity measurements were as follows: The best group I was able to squeak out was a 1” (3-shot) group from the 75-grain VMAX (with 40-grains of IMR 4064) and 1-3/8” (3-shot) group with the 87-grain VMAX (using 34.8-grains of IMR 4064). You carry your mini-cannon (Or roll it if you must.) Why doesn’t Remington put iron sights on the CDL..it would be the perfect hunting rifle if they would. Utilizing the factory-installed Picatinny rail to attach an old faithful Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24X scope increased heft to just over 11 pounds. I’ll add the 5th star after taking it through the desert a few times. Brand: Remington Arms FWIW, my “howitzer” for canyon/open-plain hunting is a Remington Model Seven chambered in 300 SAUM. When going through my inventory, I realized that there was a gun “hole” – a gap in my firearm selection if you will. I had a monster 12-gauge for turkey hunting and never thought twice. People can call me a “redneck” all that they want. @Accur81 – more fun to shoot? I’m not one to argue with statistics, but I know what I’ve done and seen others do. As for Remington: They’re the Walmart of guns. Like most other activities with guns, your “practice how you play”. I started with the 100-grain Remington Core-Lokt PSP rounds and as expected, they shot fine and showed moderate accuracy. The stock has three attachment posts, two for quick-detach sling swivels and a third for the attachment of a bipod. At my local store, they are available in .223, .243, and 30-06 – three calibers that should cover almost every game animal in North America. I’ve pillar mounted and free floated the barrel and action by .040 using a heavy walled, damaged aluminum arrow that I broke target shooting that fit the factory bolt holes perfectly. I guess in the end, it’s what a person is comfortable with and/or familiar with that I think is most important. I’m in the process now of getting a bi-pod, etc., for it. in the hunting fields. That first .243 was the standard model with a 24-inch barrel, and shortly after buying it, I added a Model 70 Varmint with a 26-inch heavy barrel to my small battery. In many places, street price for the rifle (as of July 2016) is under $600. Good luck with your goals and intentions – safe travels and safe hunts , Sounds like 2 old Hugers around a camp fire lolol.. One time me and one of my friends was talking about Lightening,, Positive on the ground or positive in the sky,,,, The listeners was laughting their rear off, cause we was both right and was still arguing LOLOL..Thanks guys for the post I really enjoyed all of them,, TKO is what counts, and that’s a small number, . Tack driver like a custom competition rifle? Where in my response did I imply a “howitzer” was required? Too many of the thousands of rifles in .243 built through the decades are still in use for that to happen. I am not Rambo. In the 20 years and 20 states that I’ve hunted in, I can only think of a handful of times where even a 9″ bipod would allow the barrel to clear the vegetation. Well You know what they say about opinions and what they are like. Hey the guy just reviewed the walmart ADL in 243 which I appreciated because i am looking for a reasonable back up to my 308 bolt gun when I go out west for deer and antelope. Some guys like me who are 66 and a bit old school when it comes to hunting. It might just be the ideal deer hunting rifle for you and the … I have several loads for this rifle. You can’t find these ADL’s in any Remington catalogue or website listing. I had one. The ADL was walnut-stocked back then. which I thought was a steal! It could be any similar weighted scope. However, often overlooked is Remington?s range of carbine-size rifles named the Model Seven. I was amazed at the accuracy and clearness of the scope. I had a Rem 700 ADL .243 in beautiful walnut (not laminate either). I’m making this into a one shot, one kill gun. However, despite the pitiful stock and a scope that leaves much to be desired, the Remington ADL still represents a great value for the money. 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