Increase the gun weight by, say, 25% and the recoil goes down by 25%. Finally I am not a hunter but a man who likes carry a gun while relaxing in the bush. Affiliate Disclosure This is a common question many hunters have, especially when considering a hunting rifle for younger hunters. Where the .308's origin was for military purposes, the .270 started out as a hunting cartridge. It depends on the individual load and rifle. The chart you posted has the .270 with a recoil factor of 162.6 The .308 with a recoil factor of 35.2 And the 30-06 with a recoil factor of 60.1 So, if the chart is correct, the .270 would have significantly more recoil. LOL. Let’s take a look at what makes them tick. Our calibers from .257-inch up to .338-inch have served us well for decades, but the .277-inch, 7mm, and .308-inch calibers have gotten the lion’s share of work from deer hunters. I hunt mainly pigs , some deer, foxes and rabbits. https://press.hornady.com/assets/pcthumbs/tmp/1410994454-2017-Standard-Ballistics-Chart.pdf. If you dive into the historical developments of the 6.5 Creedmoor round vs the 7mm-08, you will notice how the cartridges are somehow related to .308 Winchester. Many thanks for the great info, i’ll Now have 3 calibers with the 3 tikka’s that will suit my needs and if I get to the Northern Territory to hunt buffalo i’ll Buy a 9.3 x 62 Why would anyone want a 308? Remington’s parent case is actually .308 Winchester and its closely related .260 Remington is also based on a 308 cartridge. Some might be into a more open relationship and will switch cartridges for certain hunts. However, time saw both these long-standing cartridges in the same arena and with a huge respective loyal user base. “We are not abdicating for one or the other…” Plus they came in the all time famous and intelligent mauser desing rifle. © 2020 by Trek Warrior. To reiterate, we are only looking at Remington’s Core-Lokt ammunition. whose where a lot better pleasant to shoot with a better desing. The cheapest 3006 delivers more energy than the Best 308 In 270 a Tikka Lite and a Rem 700, 308 a Rem 700 and a Sako Finnwolf. Hunters can be fiercely loyal to the type of cartridge that they use when hunting. Here are some numbers to consider. What we mean by this is that the cartridge size is almost identical to the 30-06, but the bullet has a smaller diameter. The length measurement fluctuates based on bullet’s design. Enjoy this article about the 6.5 Creedmoor vs 308 Winchester debate? Here are some of the more popular cartridges for the .270. If economical ammo is of importance, then forget about the .270. Am I narrow minded? Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. First, we will take a look at the bullet drop rates for each caliber that have been zeroed in at 100 yards and then at 250 yards to get some short and long-range trajectory information. If you hunt for fun primary, choice a mild rifle you enjoy shooting and select the animal and the distance accordingly. The gun I hated to have to sight in was my wifes early Rem 700 ADL in 270 Win, it just plain hurt to do it. It has a long history of being the best and the rifles that shoot it are spectacular, in general. You can bet that the .308 will never be out of stock. What would be the point though? This is especially true for the .308 vs .270. Most people attest that .270 vs .30-06 favors the lighter round. doesn't take much recoil slapping you in the head to make it not worth it lol. They know what they like and what works well for them. So, in this section we will discuss some generalities. I have 2 270 Win rifles and 2 308 rifles. When both are shooting a 150gr bullet in factory ammo, the .308 produces slightly less velocity with a bit less powder due to its smaller case. The 7mm-08 Remington cartridge was introduced in the 1980s. With proper shooting technique and scope placement, you should never have to worry about scope eye with either cartridge. Perceived recoil, or what the shooter feels, is purely subjective. Specifically, with the .270 vs .308, we see two calibers that perform quite similarly in the categories we have addressed. Shoot him in the ear hole. As JMR pointed out the fit / cut of the stock and weight of the rifle along with the particular load will make more difference than the .308 vs .270 One must always remember you can measure true or free recoil , but felt recoil is varying among individuals . So test the rifle, if its too much recoil, have a muzzle brake put on it. Originally Posted by Pharmseller. Next, we will look at the muzzle velocity (feet/second) and velocity at certain yard intervals commonly encountered when hunting. You have the numbers now, but we will be a little clearer about what those numbers mean regarding your hunting strategy. All Rights Reserved. That is a rather comical typo! Lots of overlap depending. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Nosler provided the data used to compare the recoil of the cartridges (here and here). My mind is now made up as I will sell the Brno 308. A debate that comes up often is which one is better when comparing the 270 vs 308. Amazon and the Amazon logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. Legal Disclaimer. Next Last. Having said that, I've fired all of those and can hardly tell the difference. To my shoulder, the 270 has a sharper recoil than the 308, and a little more too. You probably won't notice the difference. Two rifles that are known to compete against each other. By using this site, you agree to the following: Privacy Policy Stand by your gun and enjoy being in wilderness more than what kind of animal you bring back home. More powder and heavier bullets are going to lead to more recoil. i’ve used the 7.62×51 during 2 tours in NAM 1969-1970 great caliber and have been using the same deer hunting for 47 years with great success all things aside the 308 has not let me down regardless weather a big game animal or viet cong you don’t have the right to ask a question as to why anyone would want a 308 it’s a great killing bullet in the right hands, I totally agree all I have ever used was a 270 caliber rifle!! She did swap it out for a Rem 760 in 270 to match her 870 Trap and skeet guns(she could shoot doubles with a pump and it sounded like an auto). A .260 shooting a 140grn bullet with a .520 bc @ 2600 fps witha 200 yard 0 in a 10mph wind. Here is a comparison of it to the .308. Then, use the process in this article to decide what caliber you need. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. More ammunition manufacturers produce the 308 vs 270 in America. This round was originally brought to be in the form of the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge, but Winchester commercially produced and sold it as the .308 Winchester. If we simply look at the average recoil energy generated by these two cartridges and given by the ballistic calculator software, we see that the .270 and .308 are very similar (Graph 1). I estimate that fifteen foot pounds of free recoil energy and 10 fps of recoil velocity represent the approximate upper limit of the comfort level. Two of my personal guns were a 03 Springfield in 358 Norma and a light weight 30-06 carbine shooting 220's and neither were as bad as her 270. The base diameter is 0.47 inch. All in all, the 270 actually could be a great medium-long range … Just look for high B.C. I had a Remington Model Seven in 308 with a Limbsaver pad on it that was more comfortable to shoot in a t-shirt than a M94 in 30/30. Recoil energy for 308 in an 8 pound rifle is 16-17lbs depending on load. You might want fix it, since I’m quite sure you are talking about “advocating” rather than stepping down from your throne. However, the .308 180 grain is a heavy bullet with a high muzzle velocity so you will feel it as well. MEL . Basically, Remington intended the caliber to be able to provide lesser recoil than a .308 while still being large and powerful enough to kill wild North American game effectively at long distances. Terms and Conditions Just seems to kick more than it should. We are heading out for him to try to git his first buck. You will commonly see .270 referred to as .270 Win and made popular by the famous writer Jack O’Connor. The .270 is a "necked down" version of the 30-06 cartridge. If you are considering a new rifle to add to your arsenal, two of the more popular cartridges used in hunting include the .308 and .270 caliber. It can be measured or computed empirically and has been for this recoil table. Of course, as we all know, you cannot just willingly swap out any caliber for your rifle as they are chambered to hold certain cartridges. I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. With a little practice on the range, any shooter can become accustomed to the kick. It really does shoot flatter and longer than a 308 I have killed a lot of deer and all has been with a 270, Have to agree with you both I have hunted all my life with 270 and have made some awesome shots with it. But between the .270 Winchester and the .280 Remington, which offers the best performance for the hunter? Thread starter shot_out; Start date Nov 6, 2016; 1; 2; Next. Save Share. We should start off by saying that it is pretty difficult to compare two different calibers side by side. The.30-06 has more propellant so it generates more recoil while it's often in a heavier gunstock (which absorbs more of the recoil by mass, weight, and cellular composition of the wood sometimes.) Heavier bullets and increased powder are going to increase the amount of recoil. Since the .308 Winchester is essentially a scaled down .30-06, with the exception of recoil (which we’ll get to in a minute) the .270 Winchester has the same advantages over the .308 as it does over the .30-06. While the .308 produces slightly more recoil energy (21.7ft.lb compared to 19.6ft.lb), it probably isn’t anything significant, especially to more experienced shooters. shot_out Member. 25-06 vs 6.5 Creedmoor vs 270 Winchester: The Results Might Surprise You. To me recoil is not a problem but muzzle blast is . I had a .270 in a Rem 700 adl with a checkered aluminum butt plate that hurt my shoulder and left a bruise on my cheek bone after just a few shots. It is a well known cartridge, capable of travelling long distances with lots of energy to knock down your intended target. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. I need to learn how to shoot a rifle first. Therefore, the felt recoil of any specific cartridge will vary according to the specific firearm used to fire the round. Despite the replacement in the military, the 7.62 x 51 cartridge had excellent performance specs and was quickly picked up by ammunition manufacturers. They are probably pretty close on recoil charts but the above make all the difference IMHO. Winchester Improved the 3006 by Producing the 270. Here are some of the more popular cartridges for the .308. For this reason, it is considered a short action caliber. I suppose if you had two identical rifles with loads designed to produce equal recoil a blind test would have to come out as indistinguishable. I replaced it with a Mark X Mauser in 300 Win Mag with a decent pad that doesn't hurt at all, although the actual recoil is higher. Above that recoil becomes increasingly intrusive. While the debates are always between 30-06 and 270, we forget than prior these cartridges we had 8mm mauser and it’s neck down 7mm. Originally Posted by raybass. Regardless, neither caliber will fly out of your hands. Granted, recoil energy is highly relative; recoil force depends on grain weight and muzzle velocity as well as the weight of the rifle. So, we will compare the .207 and .308 in different hunting scenarios. While others are strictly monogamous and would not even consider a different caliber. This sounds like a good approach to me, and Tikka makes a very nice rifle. I've got my grandpa's old 30-06 that weighs a ton and still hits me hard enough that it's no fun for me to shoot. , I have a 300 Winchester magnum and a 270 Winchester I recently purchased the 270 Winchester and can’t wait to hunt with it when citing it and I notice it is very very accurate can someone laborate on that shooting a Winchester 130 grain PowerPoint bullet will this rifle also take elk and moose, Looking at the numbers on Hornady’s site, your numbers for the 270 don’t look right. Finally, we will compare the energy (Feet/Pound) of the bullets at several yard intervals. That is to say,.270 Winchester bullets travel 3.5 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while.30-30 Winchester bullets travel 2.7 times that same speed. According to this they're so close you wouldn't know the difference : I have to go with stock design/fit/recoil pad. The .270 is prone to having a much sharper kick than the .308. However, the boosted speed and energy requires more powder and longer action, resulting in a heavyweight gun and higher recoil. However, the .308 180 grain is a heavy bullet with a high muzzle velocity so you will feel it as well. When going after bigger game with shots within 250 yards, the .308 is a fantastic choice. It's a very good question, and in this article we are going to show you the difference. With .308 and the .30-06, you have access to military surplus ammo. Having said that, I've fired all of those and can hardly tell the difference. Recoil energy for 270 WSM in an 8 pound rifle is 19 lbs, much less load variability. This when I had both in Rem 700s. Its only advantages in my book are ammo availability which again doesn't really bother me as I can get quality 270 right next to 308 at any outdoor store or even Walmart. All around rifle? This round is a great combination between a flat trajectory and moderate recoil. This site is owned and operated by Trek Warrior in McKinney, Texas. 1; 2 ... You can generally have a nice muzzle brake put on a rifle for about $150, and this should put the recoil to about .308 or maybe less. One has its origins in the military while the other was manufactured for hunting. It uses bullets from 100 to 150 grains, which can easily reach 2,900 and even 3000 frames per second. The end of this Season 270 vs 308. This stuff is great for plinking and it won't cost you an arm and a leg. Both calibers can deliver over a thousand pounds of pressure at 400 yards. I've always had a soft spot for the 270, kills well and doesn't recoil much, but once I sort of looked the chronograph data I've collected on both the 270 and the 7mm-08 over the past few years, something became clear to me: the 7-08 basically equals the 270 in velocity and energy if you are using the typical 22" 270 factory barrel. This will tell us is how hard the bullet is impacting the target. What we hope, is that by providing you with some background and numbers, you can look at your hunting situation and make an educated decision on which particular caliber will suit your hunting needs better. I also have a tikka .243 & tikka .223 , and the Winchester 22.250 which is also being sold. Some might consider the .270 130 grain a bit too light for elk or moose, especially if you are taking shots over 400 yards. The .308 caliber is the civilian version of the 7.62 x 51 NATO cartridge that was originally designed for the M14 used in Vietnam. Regardless, a lot of us have multiple rifles or maybe we are shopping around for a new hunting rifle. The .270 was produced by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company in 1925. Went to ableammo.com and checked a few different models in .270 vs .308 and there was no difference in listed weight. It is a much longer cartridge than the .308. Recoil (sometimes called “kick”) is the rearward movement of the firearm when fired. Let's compare two top quality deer hunting loads. Due to some issues with the amount of ammo that could be carried and the M14’s unwieldiness, it was shortly replaced by the M16 with 5.56 x 45 cartridges. Before we jump into this, it is extremely important to remember that these values can change from manufacturer to manufacturer and according to the various cartridge types. The .270 will have slightly less recoil than the .30-06 or .308, but the difference is not real noticeable. My vote is the .270 Win. The .270 is prone to having a much sharper kick than the .308. IMO they are all pussycats, the most mild mannered being the Sako primarily because it weighs the most. I'd rather shoot the 308. yup. It has a higher velocity and flatter trajectory making it a little easier to adjust for shots at long range as evidenced by the bullet drop numbers in the long trajectory section. As far as recoil of 270 vs 308 win, in my experience the 270 has a touch more.. 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